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		<title>By: Calinazaret</title>
		<link>http://calinazaret.net/studies-show-that-correlation-%e2%89%a0-causality/comment-page-1#comment-287</link>
		<dc:creator>Calinazaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 05:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bruce hey! I&#039;m pretty sure you can subscribe via RSS feed. You know, I&#039;m not very techie, but if that doesn&#039;t work let me know and I&#039;ll get back to you.

BTW- I hadn&#039;t heard &quot;Rush Limplaugh&quot;. That&#039;s pretty funny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bruce hey! I&#8217;m pretty sure you can subscribe via RSS feed. You know, I&#8217;m not very techie, but if that doesn&#8217;t work let me know and I&#8217;ll get back to you.</p>
<p>BTW- I hadn&#8217;t heard &#8220;Rush Limplaugh&#8221;. That&#8217;s pretty funny!</p>
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		<title>By: bruce</title>
		<link>http://calinazaret.net/studies-show-that-correlation-%e2%89%a0-causality/comment-page-1#comment-286</link>
		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>by the way, is there a way to just get this blog via email?  i&#039;m not even sure how to work a blog feed and i&#039;m not going to be on the same computer for long anytime soon!

thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>by the way, is there a way to just get this blog via email?  i&#8217;m not even sure how to work a blog feed and i&#8217;m not going to be on the same computer for long anytime soon!</p>
<p>thanks</p>
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		<title>By: bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 04:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is this right, then?

Correlation: people with red hair often have freckles
Causation: bald people causes sunburned scalps

seems pretty straightforward to me...what am i missing here?

only someone like Rush Limplaugh would try to pass that kind of crap off as legit!  i would sure hope that anyone with any actual responsibility wouldn&#039;t try that, but i wouldn&#039;t put anything past the modern medical establishment and their puppetmasters...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this right, then?</p>
<p>Correlation: people with red hair often have freckles<br />
Causation: bald people causes sunburned scalps</p>
<p>seems pretty straightforward to me&#8230;what am i missing here?</p>
<p>only someone like Rush Limplaugh would try to pass that kind of crap off as legit!  i would sure hope that anyone with any actual responsibility wouldn&#8217;t try that, but i wouldn&#8217;t put anything past the modern medical establishment and their puppetmasters&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Temple Stark</title>
		<link>http://calinazaret.net/studies-show-that-correlation-%e2%89%a0-causality/comment-page-1#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Temple Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 00:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all you should be ashamed ....

... for saying bad things about JLC ;-)

In the way you frame it here, you&#039;re absolutely right. There&#039;s a lot of junk or pop science that follows the maxim, if it feels good do it, or believe it.

A lot of it just FEELS right and if you want to or are predisposed to believe it, you will.

For example it sounds really good to say that &quot;studies show that kids whose parents eat dinner with them regularly are less likely to do drugs&quot; because what it&#039;s really saying is, attentive parents are healthier for families. And, of course, largely this is true and there ARE long-term studies for that. But to specify &quot;dinner&quot; and &quot;drugs&quot; is to render the statements false, or at least on less firm ground, as you say, with the truth unknown.

 smarter woman have bad sex doesn&#039;t even make real sense on the surface. But again, it sounds &quot;good&quot; and has a well known idea attached to it - that men are scared of smart women therefore it&#039;s better to play stupid (blah, it didn&#039;t even feel good to type that). smart women MAY have less sex because they other things to pursue; they MAY be able to find men they don&#039;t respect on all levels so the sex is correspondingly less satisfying and doesn&#039;t lead to O ETC ETC. But that&#039;s not even what the study is about.

Better lovers equal orgasms, but sometimes even then there are, yes psychological things going on.

You do make the assumption that psychologists were behind both of these studies. The smarter sex article appears in the Sun Magazine which is an authority on Page 3 girls&#039; nipples and not much else. The NPR PSA could have been done by psycologists but mre likely it was sociologists or soe other research.

So your main point: that it&#039;s too easy to say shit that don&#039;t mean shit I agree with completely.


(• Everyone, did you like the comment you just read? You can subscribe to my newsletter and buy my t-shirt, slightly smelly after a long day. Or you can go feed yourself.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all you should be ashamed &#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230; for saying bad things about JLC <img src='http://calinazaret.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In the way you frame it here, you&#8217;re absolutely right. There&#8217;s a lot of junk or pop science that follows the maxim, if it feels good do it, or believe it.</p>
<p>A lot of it just FEELS right and if you want to or are predisposed to believe it, you will.</p>
<p>For example it sounds really good to say that &#8220;studies show that kids whose parents eat dinner with them regularly are less likely to do drugs&#8221; because what it&#8217;s really saying is, attentive parents are healthier for families. And, of course, largely this is true and there ARE long-term studies for that. But to specify &#8220;dinner&#8221; and &#8220;drugs&#8221; is to render the statements false, or at least on less firm ground, as you say, with the truth unknown.</p>
<p> smarter woman have bad sex doesn&#8217;t even make real sense on the surface. But again, it sounds &#8220;good&#8221; and has a well known idea attached to it &#8211; that men are scared of smart women therefore it&#8217;s better to play stupid (blah, it didn&#8217;t even feel good to type that). smart women MAY have less sex because they other things to pursue; they MAY be able to find men they don&#8217;t respect on all levels so the sex is correspondingly less satisfying and doesn&#8217;t lead to O ETC ETC. But that&#8217;s not even what the study is about.</p>
<p>Better lovers equal orgasms, but sometimes even then there are, yes psychological things going on.</p>
<p>You do make the assumption that psychologists were behind both of these studies. The smarter sex article appears in the Sun Magazine which is an authority on Page 3 girls&#8217; nipples and not much else. The NPR PSA could have been done by psycologists but mre likely it was sociologists or soe other research.</p>
<p>So your main point: that it&#8217;s too easy to say shit that don&#8217;t mean shit I agree with completely.</p>
<p>(• Everyone, did you like the comment you just read? You can subscribe to my newsletter and buy my t-shirt, slightly smelly after a long day. Or you can go feed yourself.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link, Julie!!!
Also, as a sociology minor in college, I totally feel your pain as far as causality/correlations. I read &quot;Freakonomics&quot; recently (cuz apparently I&#039;m kind of an econ geek too? I don&#039;t know) and it mentioned this very thing, and how confusing the two is like assuming that cities with both lots of police and lots of crime should get rid of the police. (Well, maybe that&#039;s not the worst idea for L.A.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Julie!!!<br />
Also, as a sociology minor in college, I totally feel your pain as far as causality/correlations. I read &#8220;Freakonomics&#8221; recently (cuz apparently I&#8217;m kind of an econ geek too? I don&#8217;t know) and it mentioned this very thing, and how confusing the two is like assuming that cities with both lots of police and lots of crime should get rid of the police. (Well, maybe that&#8217;s not the worst idea for L.A.)</p>
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		<title>By: Mortalwind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mortalwind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love both of you equally.............My mom would say to me and my brothers, but yeah Julies blog is the better ;-)  Sike! no for reals I love both of your blogs and they are apples and orangutans. Two different beast, but both swift of feet and strong in heart....Ace&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love both of you equally&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.My mom would say to me and my brothers, but yeah Julies blog is the better <img src='http://calinazaret.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Sike! no for reals I love both of your blogs and they are apples and orangutans. Two different beast, but both swift of feet and strong in heart&#8230;.Ace&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: Calinazaret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Calinazaret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@honest_ape 
Oh come now. Comparing our blogs is like comparing fresh apple pie to smashing people in Halo. Both have a special place in people&#039;s hearts, but not the same place at all ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@honest_ape<br />
Oh come now. Comparing our blogs is like comparing fresh apple pie to smashing people in Halo. Both have a special place in people&#8217;s hearts, but not the same place at all <img src='http://calinazaret.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: honest_ape</title>
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		<dc:creator>honest_ape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said, Julie! I bitch about such things to my wife all the time. So many studies are flawed in this way. Like studies that show that kids with a father in their life will be more rounded, which means Lesbians shouldn&#039;t raise kids. Well, how many studies have been done for kids with two moms? Maybe it&#039;s the two loving parents working together that make a difference, not because one&#039;s a man. 

People pick and choose data to get their personal points of view across. Shit, according to commercial, a study said that eating Sugar Pops (or some sugary cereal) in the morning makes your kids do better in their first class. No shit. Ever hear of a sugar rush? What they don&#039;t tell you is what the kids are doing in their second and third class. Sleeping.

Your blog is too well written. Makes my blog look like fail. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said, Julie! I bitch about such things to my wife all the time. So many studies are flawed in this way. Like studies that show that kids with a father in their life will be more rounded, which means Lesbians shouldn&#8217;t raise kids. Well, how many studies have been done for kids with two moms? Maybe it&#8217;s the two loving parents working together that make a difference, not because one&#8217;s a man. </p>
<p>People pick and choose data to get their personal points of view across. Shit, according to commercial, a study said that eating Sugar Pops (or some sugary cereal) in the morning makes your kids do better in their first class. No shit. Ever hear of a sugar rush? What they don&#8217;t tell you is what the kids are doing in their second and third class. Sleeping.</p>
<p>Your blog is too well written. Makes my blog look like fail. <img src='http://calinazaret.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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