I really believe that if you are raised with love by humans that love each other, it doesn’t totally screw you up… Love is love no matter who is involved in it. The only damage done is the confusion when others don’t accept your situation and do pass judgment.
I am really impressed with your post.
we are only on this planet for such a short time. We all have the right to love and be loved and to marry the person who makes us happy.

I totally support family, and not passing judgement

I appreciate your honesty and how you love your mom makes me smile.

I am not in California, but I will pass along this post to my friends who do live there.

I get sick of all the bigotry and judgment passed by supposedly “Christian” folk. I believe in God. I attend Church. I read the Bible (sometimes). I choose not to judge those around me, because I believe it is something that we are told specifically not to do … I also choose not to be called a Christian, but instead a follower of Christ.

My vote was already secure, but your post made me smile and think “that’s right. I’m doing the right thing here.”

**hugs**

I wish to point out the subtle inconsistencies in your statement. Defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman IS subversive of a right. The right to declare to the world one’s love for another, and one’s wish to spend as much of his or her life with that other person. Marriage should be defined as a union between two consenting adults, nothing more.

And if the conservative right wants to challenge the notion that marriage is about providing a mother and a father to children, two things need to be addressed: If marriage is about children, then infertile couples should not be allowed marriage, either; and: If marriage is about providing a mother and a father, then divorce should not be legal, AND mothers or fathers should not be allowed to enlist during wartime.

Proposition is about banning something that is hardly understood, and unable to be controlled.

The Constitution states that no rights shall be obstructed or denied by an act of Congress. Rights were meant to be given, not taken away.

I meant to call/left the money on the bed side table/was arrested.

Please believe me when I say;
He/she/they/it meant nothing to me/I think of you all the time*

I’m sorry I left without explaining the situation but;
I had a wedding/wake/boardroom meeting/choicer piece of ass/mass/life* to attend to.

Best regards,

Albion/Rebecca/Steve/Gimp/Father Ryan

*Please delete where applicable

I’m linking to this post in my blog. This is awesome.

it never ceases to amaze me that we are still considering legally sanctioned discrimination against a segment of our society. during the days of slavery, marriage was not legally permitted amongst slaves because they were not people, they were property, and marriage was a contract between people. to deny a select group of people the right to marry is to classify them as lesser human beings. the concept of allowing “civil unions” with a limited subset of the legal privileges granted married couples (all the while insisting this is just as good as the real thing) reminds me of the “separate but equal” doctrine that we got rid of with Brown v. Board of Education, where the Supreme Court ruled “separate educational facilities are inherently unequal”. well, civil unions are also inherently unequal.

i might have to keep ranting about this. it makes me angry, just the thought of it.

It’s ok, ape. I know how you get distracted when there’s a big, swinging dick in the room.

He’s kind of an asshole that way, don’t you think? I mean, just because a guy’s got a big dick doesn’t mean he’s got to walk around swinging it in everyone’s face.

Shit. I got sidetracked. And this was such a great article.

Sorry, Calinazaret.

There is a good conversation going on over there and you spoke my point much better that I could.

Thanks

You take out the adjectives!!!

If you argue that a straight person has the right to marry…..the sentence becomes:
“A person has the right to marry.”

If you argue that a gay person has the right to marry….the sentence becomes:
“A person has the right to marry.”

If you argue that a heterosexual person has the right to marry but that gay marriage should not be recognised….the sentence becomes:
“A person has a right to marry but that marriage should not be recognised.” - CLEARLY there is a contradiction there.

Individual rights empower the individual irrespective of the individual. If you choose to empower one individual’s rights over another’s then you are not arguing from a rights platform but a judgemental authoritarian platform. People who argue from such a platform generally do so from a religious perspective….on which note:

“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” Matt. 7:1

Treating one individual differently than another is judging. Even when argued from a secular perspective the light that was once the conception of a free nation under the US constitution and the bill of rights defends a premise of all people created equal.

An adjective describes something relative to a noun. It is literally a form of singling out, judging, one specific element of what is a collective noun field.

No-one can say “Defining marriage as between one man and one woman is not taking away anyone’s rights” from a religious perspective without scoring through Matthew 7:1 It is quite literally judging people by virtue of their chromosomes.

I’m not saying people should not have the right to support Prop 8. I certainly don’t agree with it but I support another’s right to object to it. I am saying that anybody arguing a religious argument for Prop8 is not arguing for individual rights and has compromised their own religious canon.

Actually this definition can be seen as the ultimate expression of equality our society has to offer: it takes one man and one woman. One could see a lesbian union as a marginalization of men, or a homosexual union as a marginalization of women.

Equality is especially important when it comes to raising children. Children deserve/need a father and a mother. Neither parent should be marginalized.

Yes, many children are already growing up in single-parent homes. Prop 8 should be a reminder to everyone that as a society we need to assist and strengthen families as much as possible. Really, as a society we should be most concerned with the success and health of our families.

http://emiliadelmar.blogspot.com/2008/10/legislation-and-social-issues.html

http://gr8prop8deb8.blogspot.com/

peace!

Thanks for stopping by! I appreciate your thoughts.

“but you can still disagree with homosexuality AND vote NO on prop 8; it just means you’re not passing judgment.”

I love this quote. I am not gay, and don’t know anyone who is gay, but I think that your life is your life and no one else should be able to disrupt that life you want for yourself. You can disagree with homosexuality if you want (I don’t - I have live in NH and believe in their state motto Live Free or Die) but do not pass judgment.

Great post,

~ Jim

My thoughts exactly. I hope I live to see the day when all of this is history.

When it comes to gay marriage, most think that a “law agreement” has the same effects as a “marriage” and thus don’t believe that gay people should really push for the term “marriage” and that is complete crap. Saying that a law agreement is basically marriage is like telling a black person “You can sit there, but not here.” In actuality, you still get to sit somewhere, just not here, so what’s the difference? So why did the black population push to get rid of segregation? Because they are just like white people and deserve the same rights, that’s why, plain and simple.

When more states start seeing the true travesty of telling a gay couple that they do not deserve to be married and pass a law allowing gay marriage, decades from now when their children and grandchildren are being taught about gay marriage in their history classes, they are going to wonder how there was so much of a debate about it, just like we did when we were taught about black people and white people being granted the right to marry.

This isn’t a “gay/straight” debate, this is about human decency and more people need to realize that.